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jkylnhyde
02-17-2010, 04:45 PM
I have been around these bikes for a long time... Now to be honest I havent owned one forever, but i have been around the Zillas on a day to day basis for quite a long time..
With that being said i would like to address some of these "Zilla Rumors" that i have read other places and that i hear people talking about at the dunes around the camp fire... Anyone is free to add to or counter these rumors if they have an educated reason or even a guess..

First one:
If you have port work or a "certain" pipe than you better modify your petcock, and also run a larger float bowl (like the K&T) or you are going to run the carb dry on the top end.. I am speaking about when using race gas.

I run a high HP motor and have a friend who runs even a higher HP motor and have yet to see this happen..

It is simple math.. using the flow rate and flow size of 5/16 fuel line and the 3.5 carb seat (inlet) and the existing bowl capacity... you arent going to run your bowl dry running race gas..

But there is one good thing that a modified petcock is good for.. It is good when you are emptying your race gas out of the tank and storing it back into your safety can in the garage.:2:

flotek
02-17-2010, 05:21 PM
something to think about : if you have a certain rate of flow ,it has a given recovery time ,that is the time it takes to fill the bowl and how fast its being drawn in to compensate ,if your duning and hillshooting you are not under constant open throttle for exteneded periods of time like someone that races the quarter mile or never lets off i n a long distance open road race,if the rate exceeds the capacity the bowl gets sucked dry and the topend leans out,built banshees are known for this problem not so much for the zilla though,probably that has a lot to do with having twin cylinders with a 180 parallel design and a much high peak rpm spinning than a zilla is capable of .a stroke motor is basically a pump the more air and fuel efficiently being pushed through the system the more power your going to make.i would agree alot of people have these mods and simply dont need them just like adding a powerjet or a pingle ,sometimes its good insurance more than anything,for methanol these mods are a necessity becuase your pushing nearly twice the fuel volume through so you need twice the flow rate,also giant hack ports with lots of volume and poor velocity can burn through more fuel than one thats engineered for efficiency

Paulie B
02-17-2010, 05:41 PM
Yeah I haven't heard of any gas bike yet that needs an oversize bowl.
Maybe a 521 cheetah with a 2 into 1 carb lol

jkylnhyde
02-17-2010, 05:42 PM
Good post Denny... Insurance is Insurance... And i completely agree on the methanol comment... but on a dune motor running race fuel, not needed for the Zilla.. Thanks for the enlightment..

I have one of these K&T bowls for the stock mikuni carb that a friend of mine gave me... one thing i noticed was there was no overflow built into these bowls.. so any extra fuel would be dumped into your engine rather than out the vent tube... I chose not to run it and look at it as a novelty instead of something i need for insurance...

flotek
02-17-2010, 09:19 PM
its fairly common for a cheetah cub to suck keihin bowls dry
and keep in mind all pwk carbs have the same size bowl

jkylnhyde
02-18-2010, 08:26 AM
its fairly common for a cheetah cub to suck keihin bowls dry
and keep in mind all pwk carbs have the same size bowl

But Denny, I have mad respect for you.... but you got to keep it simple for a lot of these brain washed Zilla guys.LOL. A lot of them have read and been told that their Zillas will beat a Cheetah Cub. So what i am saying is that when we talk what a banshee needs, they think it applies to them also (just the brain washed ones).

So back on track... A Zillas needs and a Banshees needs are different.. Two different animals with different needs completely.

Save your money and spend it on porn, candy, or even a DrQ special edition hat... You are not going to need an oversized float bowl for a duneable zilla even if the Zilla Nurse ported it himself.

chrisg
02-18-2010, 10:53 AM
wow man, that's all I can say.

You really got it in for the old Doc huh?

what's your beef with him.

and before you jump on me as a follower, I'll let you know I've never bought anything from him, but I do have his stuff and am very happy with it.
Just curious why you bash him so much? Were you burned by him on a purchase? what gives?
I read alot on here but hardly ever post up, but in your small amount of posts, you've had alot of negatives about him.
Not starting a war with ya, don't really care one way or the other, just curious WHY?

jkylnhyde
02-18-2010, 12:11 PM
I believe he sells snake oil... I dont have any beef against him... I just dont believe 1/2 of what he says.. He tells you this and tells you that in order to sell one of his pipes.. and people fall for it... Great Marketer.. I have said this 1000 times (great marketer). Any builder that outsources his work 99% of the time is not reputable.

So chrisg, you are telling me that you believe now that you have a Q pipe that you also went out and bought a larger float bowl because of all of the extra power you got from the pipe you were sucking your bowl dry?? Thats what this is about rumors..

What next? you opted for a special set of these springs also because you now how so much more power??

I use to read over at the QHQ how the nurse and all his followers were eating up 4mil banshees all day long... Whats in the water that would make a person believe this is happening on a day to day basis?

blaster 22
02-18-2010, 12:21 PM
I concur,when i was on "that other site" i cant believe how much people warship this clown.Yeah he may have a nice pipe but didnt Matt Shearer have a hand in that?Plus he talks down to people,really arrogant imo

chrisg
02-18-2010, 01:01 PM
I believe he sells snake oil... I dont have any beef against him... I just dont believe 1/2 of what he says.. He tells you this and tells you that in order to sell one of his pipes.. and people fall for it... Great Marketer.. I have said this 1000 times (great marketer). Any builder that outsources his work 99% of the time is not reputable.

So chrisg, you are telling me that you believe now that you have a Q pipe that you also went out and bought a larger float bowl because of all of the extra power you got from the pipe you were sucking your bowl dry?? Thats what this is about rumors..

What next? you opted for a special set of these springs also because you now how so much more power??

I use to read over at the QHQ how the nurse and all his followers were eating up 4mil banshees all day long... Whats in the water that would make a person believe this is happening on a day to day basis?


I actually run a 48 hv lectron with a billet bowl, that was recommended from packard, so I do have a billet bowl. Is it due to the Q pipe, no.

Here is what I would have to say about the whole ordeal.

He is the owner of his site. He can spout whatever he wants. Does Jerry Hall have a site to check out? I honestly don't know. I've heard of him, but never gone much farther than that.
Would I entertain the fact of using a different builder, absolutely! Would it be Jerry Hall, Pete Schemberger, Tony at T&N cycle, sure any or all of them.

And I have talked to Q on the phone a few times, and the way I see it is this.
I never spent 1 penny with him, yet he sent me his cell number and helped me tune my bike and get it where it needed to be. Yes I have a motor, pipe from him, but I didn't buy it from him. He doesn't owe me anything since I was never a "customer" of his, but he has taken the time to help me tune it, for free.

It is my understanding that he and Jerry are good friends, and he has mentioned him several times, but never ever bad mouthed him.

Does a Hall bike run a pv or not? honest question I don't know, and what is the advantage of running this set up?

chrisg
02-18-2010, 01:19 PM
I concur,when i was on "that other site" i cant believe how much people warship this clown.Yeah he may have a nice pipe but didnt Matt Shearer have a hand in that?Plus he talks down to people,really arrogant imo


Kyle,

Matt Shearer builds them that is it. that is why his is different from Q's

I honestly think he talks down to stupid people with stupid questions that have been answered 100 times, or that even though the question was answered, still aren't happy with the answer, or it wasn't what they wanted to hear.
I'm a regular over there, and I get tired of the same stupid question about why race gas, why not, why can't I use pump gas. I mean geez, somethings people just don't, and never will get.

jkylnhyde
02-18-2010, 02:13 PM
Hall's bike does not run a power valve.. Even on a Q bike, it doesnt need a power valve.. The pv is a joke on this bike.. Argue all you want (anybody) when you add a "certain builders pipe and then add a 1/4 turn to the PV setting all you are doing is compensating for the loss of low end that that "certain" pipe has.

Its not a Jerry Hall against a Q thing... Its a dont believe everything you hear or read thing.. Investigate and make your own choices..

I also have Q's telephone #... he gave it to me when i bought a pipe from him in secret 6 or 7 months ago.. I met with him and listened to him talk about himself for 45 minutes.. Thats all i needed and thought that i better open up my eyes..

I have said before that he definately is a good marketer for the Zilla and has marketed himself well.. And i can completely admit i have his pipe on my bike... but my new pipe is on order and this pipe i currently have will be gone ASAP..

I have used Pete Schemberg before, Denny from Flotek, Eric Gorr, Kevin Herr, Jerry Hall... All of these builders have done work on some my bikes before in the past.. They all have excellent customer service and great turn around time! But i will tell you this, if i was discussing my build with any of the above builders and they talked how good they were and wouldnt shut the hell up.... I would never of used them. If all these Q bikes are so damn fast, and spanking all these banshee, where and when is this happening..?

I ride 3 out of 4 weekends a month and have yet to see this happen... SNAKE OIL..

But i do agree with you that it is HIS site and he can sell whatever he wants and market it whomever he wants... but when you make things up in order to sell things, i just isnt right.

One of my favorites is where he says a v paddle (sand skate 2 Q cut) will out run a straight paddle tire in a drag race... Just another ploy to sell more of his stuff... Ever seen a Drag Zilla or a zilla that was just a hillshooter? These guys are in the know, where are there V paddles?

jerkin
02-18-2010, 02:50 PM
jkylnhyde...

jkylnhyde
02-18-2010, 03:21 PM
jkylnhyde...

Thats awesome... Dont know who kyle is but he must be a legend

:laugh1:

chrisg
02-18-2010, 03:53 PM
well I can't really answer all your questions about all these fast bikes, I'm nowhere near cali or arizona, so couldn't answer that, but I'm anxious to hear an unbiased comparison of that pipe when you get it. Was that the one that's around 900 bucks?

jkylnhyde
02-18-2010, 04:12 PM
$950.. raw and thats the way im going to keep it... But what i was thinking of doing is getting my friend Wes and taking his bike to the dyno with 4 or so pipes... He has a completely stock zilla...

I think we will run it with his paul turner then fmf, the Q , then hall pipe... see who has the biggest bang for the buck...not just peak numbers, but usable HP and a beautiful torque curve

jasonj1123
02-18-2010, 07:10 PM
OK,were to start.....I've owned banshees,zillas, you name it....I will tell you this..Q's bikes run hard.It's a 500cc man..I built a 4mil banshee with shear drag pipes and r&b port work and got spanked by a zilla with all of Q's goodies..I'm not taking up for the zilla cause there the biggest pieces of crap ever they basically destroy themselfs.Also my friend had a built zilla that would suck the bowl dry on his carb within 500ft.Thats a fact it can happen.And your right Q is a peckerwood and i wouldnt buy a darn sparkplug from him.Use jerry hall or tony at T&N....I have a trx250r and ive never been happier.To hell with zillas and banshees...Both money pit headaches..Oh thats just my 2 cents..

jasonj1123
02-18-2010, 07:11 PM
You cant dyno the q pipe on a stock zilla..It's a topend drag pipe.The paul turner will out perform it on a stocker..

chrisg
02-18-2010, 08:03 PM
wow a piece of crap huh? I've had mine for years and never a failure.
My buddy has a 1990 he bought new and had trinity build it brand new, has run race gas since day one, and has NEVER EVER not finished a trip. Yep that's right, and it hasn't been babied either.
I think its all in how you run them, he used neo for years at 100 to 1 with race gas, never a hick up. He's duned it, raced it, and duned it back to the truck with no issues in all those years, still runs hard, but I'm sure its ready for a rebuild.

jkylnhyde
02-18-2010, 08:05 PM
If you read on other sites, a certain builder claims his pipe is #1 pipe, lrd#2, PTR #3.... So he says this is on a stock motor, so thats how the test will go.. Hope i dont suck the bowl dry during the test.

If you built a 4mil with port work, shearer pipes and got spanked by a Q bike then that Banshee you owned must of been a hunk of Sh!t.. Tons of guys would agree to that.

RJATV
02-18-2010, 09:04 PM
If you read on other sites, a certain builder claims his pipe is #1 pipe, lrd#2, PTR #3.... So he says this is on a stock motor, so thats how the test will go.. Hope i dont suck the bowl dry during the test.

If you built a 4mil with port work, shearer pipes and got spanked by a Q bike then that Banshee you owned must of been a hunk of Sh!t.. Tons of guys would agree to that.
I will agree to this, at least in a drag race anyway.

radman3120
02-18-2010, 10:24 PM
$950.. raw and thats the way im going to keep it... But what i was thinking of doing is getting my friend Wes and taking his bike to the dyno with 4 or so pipes... He has a completely stock zilla...

I think we will run it with his paul turner then fmf, the Q , then hall pipe... see who has the biggest bang for the buck...not just peak numbers, but usable HP and a beautiful torque curve

real data...great idea...would love to see these graphs

tecate/250r RiDeR
02-18-2010, 11:11 PM
If you built a 4mil with port work, shearer pipes and got spanked by a Q bike then that Banshee you owned must of been a hunk of Sh!t.. Tons of guys would agree to that.

that or he just couldnt ride it worth a shiit, scurred of the power band lol

Ganggreen
02-19-2010, 12:21 AM
Jkly your findings are spot on to what I've experienced with my zilla too. Oversize float bowl is a waste on a gas zilla. And why are v-paddles soo much better than straight for hillshooting with a zilla as posted on the other site? lol Never could get a straight answer on that one. And yes Jerry Hall is the best kept secret for the LT500 and many other machines but the secret seems to be getting out lately. lol He's been at this game since the 70's, and one smart fellow!!

zillarider1
02-19-2010, 01:27 AM
Looks like I missed a lot over here today. :thumbsup:

Hey Greg (Jecklynhyde),
I think that would be a great Idea, a totally stock motor, decent air filter, a decent carb and dyno the 3 or 4 different pipes and see how they do. I'd be real interested to see how that plays out and put this BS to rest.

I know a dyno is not the real world but the real world has a lot of variables like rider ability, obstacles (whoops), suspension set ups, etc so same bike, same motor, carb, air filter, gas every thing exactly the same just change the pipes and adjust the power valve on Q's pipe and take it out or block it closed on Jerry's pipe and that'd be cool to see what the results are.

On the bowl thing, I have spoken to both Jerry and Q and they both agree that it'd be hard to run the bowl dry with a stock bowl. I know Jerry recommends not running the billet bowl because of the lack of an overflow and since there is no over flow it will load up the motor on the bottom end so guys will go leaner and end up sticking it (from Jerry's mouth directly). But isn't that what the float is for, to regulate the amount of fuel in the bowl so if it's set properly should you need an over flow? I do find it kind of funny how what you said is exactly what Jerry said, has you been drinking the Jerry Aid?

See the one thing I disagree with is your hating on other people/builders, if you don't think highly of someones stuff then don't buy it but there is no need to go all over the internet posting about how shitty it is. I do agree that you are entitled to your opinion and you should voice it with your $$$ not fighting with others on an internet forum board where people come to meet other enthusiasts, share information and learn from each other. IMHO there is no need to get on a soap box and spew unfounded shit to anybody who is listening and gives 2 $hits, unless you have issues, issues with someone, or something to prove. So my question is do you?

I know you where banned from QRHQ, for what I do not know. I can only assume it might have been for starting $hit like you've done here. So why do it? You're not saving people from the big bad Q monster, Q has a lot of happy customers. In fact you are THE ONLY person I know who does not like Q's stuff or at least gives him some respect. Anybody who is smart can and will decide for themselves what they they like and who they like to deal with and your ranting will not change that. In fact if you want to fight why don't you put your energy in to something that matters. Go join the ASA and go fight the arse holes in Congress and the appellate court to get the PMV de-listed so we can once again ride in the closed off area in the ISDRA. (IMHO that'd be time much better spent)

If you listen to Jerry, which it sounds like you have been, then don't spend the $65 on the billet bowl or sell the one you have if you got "duped" by Q in to buying one (even through Q is neutral on them, funny) it's really just that simple man, no need to go spewing negative $hit everywhere.

So how about a little respect for the zilla builders, both Q and Jerry as they obviously know more than you do otherwise you wouldn't be getting up everyday trading the one thing you can never get back, your time on this planet, for money that you obviously turn around and hand over willingly and gladly to have them build you a motor.

If you feel you got duped by Q on the pipe then look in the mirror and re-direct your misdirected anger because you're the only one to blame as you didn't do your due diligence before you bought and that is not Q's fault, it's yours. So quit pissing and moaning about Q this and Q that if you don't like Q's stuff nobody is twisting your arm to buy it. In fact you should be happy Q is such a "good marketer" as there will be a line of people wanting to buy that pipe for more than you paid for it, there was when I sold mine.

If you feel that you have to prove it to everybody how $hitty Q's stuff is then go over to Jerry's shop and do some straight up honest testing, video tape it, post the results, and the let people decide for themselves what they like and where they want to spend their money, because cause in case you have not realized it by now they are going to do it any way.

And yes a 475 shee cub with SCPs will beat the best Jerry and Q bike all day long (or until they crash), watched it happen many a time at olds.

Bret
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Morph0906
02-19-2010, 03:37 AM
Some really good discussion with good info, what all of this really boils down to is "you" as the owner of the bike need to get as much information as possible when deciding on the builder you choose to perform work for you. Ultimately you make the descision so you bear the responsibility. If the builder hacks your ports, has shitty customer service or tells ya two week turn around and four months later and your just getting your stuff then hell yeah bring it up here but keep it civil. there are alot of manufacturers of parts like the turbo cyclone you bolt on to your carbs(probably makes your bike sound like one of those whistles you used to play with asa kid) that are gimicks. Just like with anything you are considering purchasing its buyer beware. Do your friggin home work and ask questions at more then one source. .02

StrokeitTwice443
02-19-2010, 04:04 AM
this thread started about zilla rumors. lets keep it that way!! if you have something negative to say about builders work/service/parts, then we have a "flames" section for that.

do not turn this into a builder bash and stay on topic please.

fioz600r
02-19-2010, 06:32 AM
Some really good discussion with good info, what all of this really boils down to is "you" as the owner of the bike need to get as much information as possible when deciding on the builder you choose to perform work for you. Ultimately you make the descision so you bear the responsibility. If the builder hacks your ports, has shitty customer service or tells ya two week turn around and four months later and your just getting your stuff then hell yeah bring it up here but keep it civil. there are alot of manufacturers of parts like the turbo cyclone you bolt on to your carbs(probably makes your bike sound like one of those whistles you used to play with asa kid) that are gimicks. Just like with anything you are considering purchasing its buyer beware. Do your friggin home work and ask questions at more then one source. .02

I couldnt agree more with staement...

jkylnhyde
02-19-2010, 07:10 AM
Hey bret... Why is it always Q this and Q that? This post is about LT500 rumors... Never before you and chris (and i like chris, he helped me on a few little things on my build)got into the postings do i say Q sucks.. Just stating that you shouldnt believe all that you read.. If you were to have read back (from the beginning), you would have seen this.


I far from drink the jerry aid (love the sound of it)... but i highly doubt jerry told me any of that stuff..

Here is a thought for you... ever think i had this exact problem and discussed/told jerry about my findings and he is repeating what i said?? jkylnhyde Aid.... Or would that be to hard to grasp? Could it be that someone else in this world has experience/knowledge besides all these builders in the yellow pages?

Like you, when i first put my bike back together i couldnt get it to run for crap... I had my jetting all over the place and still couldnt to get it to run... Thats when i noticed the large bowl didnt have an overflow and saw my seat was worn... so I discussed my findings with jerry... After many hours of trying to get it to run... i took it to AZ and we dynoed it to see what the problem was and it was a flywheel.. I havent talked to jerry since i have gotten my motor back except to order my pipe.. I am compitent, i dont need to ask every builder and every compitent zilla guy daily info on my setup and then never take anyones advice... SOund Familiar?

You are way off on what you are saying... But i got to give you credit... you got spunk... and if i was to guess i would bet you still have an inside line to your buddy and he still promises you or is still doing work on your bike in some shape... SO i understand why you feel compelled to worship his feet.. But if you are a good reader, and i can see you are... Then you would have noticed this is called LT500 Rumors..

LT500 Rumors #1.... Dont watse your Money on A Billet Oversized float bowl... Unless you just want to add some extra Bling Bling to your bike... They are not needed if you are running race gas..

I will be going up to Glamis the 25-28 with my friend Wes (stock Zilla guy). We would all love to hear how one builder told you this, another builder told you this, and you dont know who to listen to for the 1000th time. Or maybe we can bury this invisible hatchet and have a large french kiss while the camp fire light glistens in the background (kiss and make up)

Morph0906
02-19-2010, 08:20 AM
Or maybe we can bury this invisible hatchet and have a large french kiss while the camp fire light glistens in the background (kiss and make up)

DUDE WTF???:Crazy: LOL NO PICS OF THAT PLEASE

chrisg
02-19-2010, 08:54 AM
yeah, I'd be out on that one too, I don't roll like that, I like lady lips, lol

zillarider1
02-19-2010, 11:16 AM
Hey Jeckly,
I'll pass on the campfire kisses but yea lets do some riding, drink some beers and have some fun.

I'm all for respectful intelligent fact based discussion because we can all learn from that but straight up bashing someone on unfounded rumors is not IMHO the way for anybody to gain anything. The reality of the situation is that Billet float bowls where the idea of a QRHQ member as extra insurance and the member hooked up a deal with KT in UT for the members. This was not Q's idea, he runs the stock bowl.

Having said that I do have the billet float bowl, got it in trade on a carb that Jerry re-worked and it's slobbering all over it self with a 27.5 pilot in it. So based on what I know Jerry does to his carbs (R-4 needle jet, 6dk3 jet needle, air bleed mod, etc). After putting a little thought in to it I think Jerry's carbs are sucking too much fuel in to the idle circuit and not getting enough vacuum on the main (running an R-4) and that is why everyone I know with a Jerry carb runs 25 pilot and a 580 main VS. Q's 32.5 pilot and 480 main (running an R-2). Any thought on why such a difference on jetting given that it's the same carb except for the different modifications?

Bret
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jkylnhyde
02-19-2010, 11:42 AM
Bret, i dont know what this air bleed mod is... And truthfully speaking, i couldnt even comment on your jetting since i only know my bike at stock and after my port work was done (nobody elses).. And i think you know and i hope i have it correct, but R-4 is larger than a R-2 so if this is a q ported motor than he definately knows what his setup is and vise-versa jerry. I dont even think jerry would or could speculate on Q's jetting... probably just tell you what he has heard people say it was. If you were to end up on the #1 clip position after you are all dialed in, then i might worry about the difference between the R-2/R-4... This way you can change to a smaller size or get a different needle so you would be allowed to have some more adjustment

I think, if i remember correctly, that HPR always starts pretty large... gives you a
chance to not burn it down at the get go.. But arent you running a large reed motor (87)? If so i really dont know anything about those except that i heard that the main jet with the 88+ carb is way smaller on a 87 cylinder.. But dont take my word for it, i have never played with these and this is just hear say..

I can tell you this... My friend Wes on his stock 89 is running a 360 main, and i am running a 680main, 25 pilot, R-2, 6DK3, needle on 3rd clip.... but i have had some work done..

But i did have a problem that sounds like yours when i first started... and that was my needle and seat was just slightly toasted... was leaking extra fuel in and couldnt get it to come off of idle for crap... Larger bowl with no run off tube was making me run blubbery.. Ordered a new needle and seat, replaced bowl to stock and that problem was fixed.. And then off to a new problem... I would have swore my problem was jetting, an air leak, something related... But it was a bad flywheel that was on my bike... Pretty amazing after it was switched out all the symptoms went away.. I would have bet my left nut i had a carb problem.

Heres what i would say... doesnt matter who worked the carb... It would only matter to me who did the port work.. Then i would take that gentlemans recomendations as a starting point only... Then run adjust and read the plug from there.. Then if that didnt work and i blew it up, i would tow it back to camp and build a faster motor.. Always need an excuse for more and faster.. LOL

And to answer you last question on different jetting sizes, refer to the above underlined sentence above... Dont ask me why, but if jerry re-did or did your carb, then take his advice 100% on the pilot, leave the main to your motor guy..

chrisg
02-19-2010, 01:03 PM
now that was a good post jkyl, thank you.

could you please expand on the flywheel issue? symptoms etc.

I had a huge issue with starting, it just wouldn't effing start, and after all was said and done, I think it was the aftermarket kill switch grounding out. but also at the same time I replaced the flywheel with another one, so its hard to say. Pete helped me figure that one out, and hats off to that guy also. I would have sworn it was a carb issue, and he swore it was electrical. I think I can actually set a world record in carb removal, tear down and reinstall on a packard hv48 lectron now, lol.

Please expand on your flywheel issues.

jkylnhyde
02-19-2010, 02:55 PM
Chris i would bet i jetted my Zilla over 55 times in 2 days trying to diagnose..

What was happening was this.... always seemed like it was running fat and wouldnt clean itself out... Then all of a sudden it would run like a beast regardless of what main jet was in it... then it wouldnt be consistent.. Just couldnt get my finger one it... i would have sworn that i had a crack in my choke flooding it out.. seemed like i was always 4 sizes to large on the main... It would start and idle perfect (1 kick)... It would even rev with no problems.. I even tore the head off three times looking for a water leak thinking it wasnt running good because it was mixing with the gas in the head...

After about 2 weeks of this and romping and reving the piss out of it, i noticed some scratches in my cylinder from cold reving/cold seizing it... SO i tore it down sent it to jerry for a rehone and left all the parts at his shop...

2 weeks later i drove the 5 hr trip with my naked Zilla strapped to the back of the truck.. Dale, jerry and i all met on a sat at the shop and put it back together... Immediately rolled it to the dyno and strapped it down... did some break in runs and saw when it got up to rpm that it was throwing a spark every 180 instead of 360... you could see the machine tach jump all over as soon as the bike would break up (as if it was rich).. We immediately swaped all the ignition parts with some of dales parts.. Put it back on the machine and it ran like a beast... Did this for 3 hours and everyone thought it was something in the ignition...
We put the bike back with my parts and breaks up again.. Last pass of the day jerry says "lets try another flywheel, i heard these things go bad"... lol... So we slap another flywheel on with my igniton parts and BAM! running like a champ laying down some serious HP.. So i bought a new flywheel and thats water under the bridge..

I have since talked to jerry and he told me a funny story where another zilla came in running like sh!t and they strapped it on the dyno... The first thing jerry suggested was to swap the flywheel... BAM! thats all it took... runs like a dream now..

I would have never in a million years thought of the flywheel (i have personally never seen one go bad) and this bike was almost on craigslist because i couldnt get it to run

flotek
02-19-2010, 03:26 PM
thats interesting about the flywheel ,you mentioned dyno testing your setup several times i was wondering could you post the dyno results ,id think alot of zilla guys would like to to see the torque the old girl is putting down and whats possible within a budget

chrisg
02-19-2010, 03:56 PM
WOW that sounds very damn familiar, almost scary to be totally honest.

Pete had told me that also, that the flywheel can go bad. if I took a wrench and touched the inside and pulled it off, it was still very tough to pull off, same with the other one. Mine was running really bad on the low end, hit second and it was fine, but really bogged off the bottom. Haven't had that problem since, and runs great.

thanks
chris

jkylnhyde
02-19-2010, 04:55 PM
i think if there is a hair line fracture in the magnet, it can send a double pulse... anyways thats what i am guessing

we did the same thing with the screwdriver and there was a strong magnetic field also.. so thats why it is so decieving

zillarider1
02-19-2010, 11:22 PM
The other bike with the bad flywheel was Lynn's I talked to him this week an he told me about how he a Jerry fixed his problem he'd been chasing for about a year.

He said his bike would act erratic and choppy on high revs (I believe).

took it in to Jerry's and Jerry also suggested they try the flywheel and it fixed it, 2 flywheels in 1 month Jerry said in 20+ years never seen a fly wheel go bad and then had 2 in a month.

Lynn should be out at the end of Feb with his zilla if Jerry get his shock rebuilt.

Bret
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chrisg
02-20-2010, 07:54 AM
ha, the reason jerry hasn't seen that problem in 20 years and they are probably like cars, 20yr warranty ran out, that's when everything goes to hell in a handbasket!

Must be a 20 yr life expectancy. I wish there was a way to test them, other than trial and error, kinda like taking readings with a meter or something. Would have saved tons of headaches for me!

zillarider1
02-20-2010, 06:32 PM
There is a way to test it: take one off your buddys working bike and put it on yours.

If it solves the problem get yourself a new flywheel.

Bret
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FM Keller
02-22-2010, 01:25 PM
OK back when, Joe Rock and I asked Q about the Larger bowl, I was Blinging out my LT and Joe was having a HRD top end done, mine is not HRD, its a ERBE lol.
Q thoughts were with the petcock mode this couldn't hurt for the money if using a HRD motor on the Long Hills, he said a 48 would be a better solution, I 've know the man for some time and yes he has what you would say a very "strong personality" and might rub some folks the wrong way, I just hand him another Modelo and let him roll, his tales are great at the campfires in Glamis, I'm telling you his products works, its up to the individual if its worth the cost.

FM Keller
02-22-2010, 01:30 PM
I get so fricking tired of builder bashing, about a 20 year old quad motor!! I think any one willing to invest in the LT500 is nuts like me, going to be harder looking for parts soon, better to work together than fight over my builder is better than you builder.

jkylnhyde
02-22-2010, 02:04 PM
If you want to bling it... Then bling it... Nothing wrong in my eyes than Beautifying something you own and liking the way it looks no matter what anyone else says.. I support this more than 100%

As the 1st post says... A larger float bowl is not needed for these motors.. regardless of your pipe.. If you want to buy one for bling, then do so. But you arent going to run the float bowl dry. If you want to "add insurance" and buy one, then do so also.

Doesnt matter to me what builder you use.. But dont just talk to one builder and believe everything they say.. They are human as we are and make mistakes and tell fish stories. Talk to a few builders and make your own decision.. This is one common problem with people that own the Zillas... They have been told that there is only one builder that is capable of extracting any HP or longevity out of these dinosaurs. This is FAR from the truth.