Long travel VS standard +2 setup

[erik6767]

i have seen some nasty banshees with the +1+3's where the lower a arm has that curve in it,where it kinda curves flat at the end, am i making sense?? is thhat like a sign of a long travel suspension?
i made a comment in the shoutbox about +3+1 setup and i think somsone said they are all for long travel shocks, and somethin about bottoming out with a normal shock,could u revalve a shock like a 450 shocks and have them work? they are already liek 1 3/4 longer than a stock banshee shock to begin with arnt they? i mean ive seen the adds in books for the long travel ELka setup, but thats far more than i need, $1800 for a front end is a little silly to me,
anyway, i guess my question is: could u get a set of +1+3 arms for the banshee, and run a standard lenght shock on it like a set of those yfz450 shocks, and just have them re-valved for the +3 setup? the increased leverage must put alot more force on the shock am i wrong? is that why the extra long shocks are required?

i really love the way those +1+3 long travel setups sit and look, they probably handle likea dream and we ride alot of rough terrain so a nice suspension would be great, is it possible to get the +3 setup with the curved a arms thats sit real nice without havign to get long travel shocks for it and stuff?

what would the disadvantages be of having those long travel curved a arms u see on some banshees?

[fiveOnick]

The simplest way to explain it is say you have 9 inches of travel standard, your shock has about 3 inches or less on a banshee of shock travel to control that 9 inches of suspension travel. Say a LT setup has 9.5-10 inches of travel, not much more suspension travel. The key is though, the shock now has like 5inches of travel to control that suspension travel. As you can imagine it would work better with more shock travel.

I am sure the 450 shocks could be reworked to work fine, but if not they would not work ok. Bottom line, either way ST or LT the shocks need to be setup to the machine to work properly.

[erik6767]

ok yea that would make sense. a i think a long travel setup would be sweet then
we got a guy at our local shop who does all suspensions , thats like his thing, he revalved my friends 450 shocks he put on a raptor and they work great, huge difference over stock,
what would u call those a-arms i was trying to describe though, where the bottom one kinda curves back up at the end near the spindle, it just seems all the banshees i see with them have such a nice stance rather then the striaght ones

[fiveOnick]

gull wing, personally I like the houser style LT. The Roll design gull wing is nice as well.

[climb any hill]

I think you're trying to describe the J Arms?

[fiveOnick]

Originally Posted by erik6767

i have seen some nasty banshees with the +1+3's where the lower a arm has that curve in it,where it kinda curves flat at the end, am i making sense?? is thhat like a sign of a long travel suspension?

How does that sound anything like a J-arm? The lower arm on a J-arm setup are exactly the same as a newer one. He's talking about this
http://www.rolldesign.com/atv%20yama...es/ban_007.jpg

[erik6767]

yes! thats exactly it fiveOnick, thats fuckin sweet

[erik6767]

does that setup make it sit higher off the ground at all?

[erik6767]

what are some other real good front shocks that would work well with a long travel setup , that are less expensive than elkas

also, there must be a real nice difference in like a dual/triple rate spring setup VS a standard single rate spring would u call it? if u were to get some dual rate works, any top name really, with res's say, would it not even be worth it, is triple rate that much better? is it worth the money

[climb any hill]

I wasn't sure what he was asking for so I brought up the J arms because i didn't understand. TCS is available for long travel. Also check out their conversion kits. Eventually I'll be sending out my rear to them for a revalve, dual spring & anodizing. http://www.tcsracing.com/id18.html